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Okay, so all comments I made before the entire story was revealed were almost entirely wrong (though I was right in that it wasn't a Big Fat Coming Out article). I still say that tweet was weird and premature, though. Couldn't let the article speak for itself, Mark Wossname? Had to jump the gun there? Though ZQ's blog post was amazing, and I think the better place (vs. the magazine article) to get across (at least some of) what was behind his decision.  Obviously, the magazine interview was done weeks if not months ago.  It would seem that the interview was done very recently.  Maybe he came out to his family during the reunion in Texas, and so was ready to come out in the press?  Or maybe that's too private to speculate on.

Can I say that it feels kind of weird to celebrate? Like, I feel like a bad fan for not jumping up and down and posting flaily gifs all over the place, but... I don't know where I was going with that. It's just a thing, a thing we kind of already knew and pretended didn't matter. Low-key celebration, maybe? A couple of guys in party hats quietly waving little rainbow flags? Maybe one of them has one of those unfurling party honkers that goes "TWEEEEEEEEE"? Or maybe I'm wrong (again) and we should all just go apeshit with joy. :oD  Either way, I'm good to go.

It is a happy day.

Date: 2011-10-16 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] babykid528.livejournal.com
I'm confused... How could the article have been done that long ago? Occupy Wall Street hasn't been going on for that long at this point and he is in NY this week for signings and things around Comic Con so I actually assumed the article was written last week?

Date: 2011-10-16 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bbuttercup.livejournal.com
I feel low-key about the whole thing myself because I can't help feeling that it's just none of my business. It breaks my heart a little that someone just can't be; that they have to be classified as... something. Plus, his "saying" he's gay is not coming from a happy place.

Date: 2011-10-16 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-deep-magic.livejournal.com
You could be right -- I know nothing about Occupy Wall Street (I know; I fail at keeping up with current events). I just assumed this interview was done a while ago.

Date: 2011-10-16 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-deep-magic.livejournal.com
Yeah, I already got a link on my sidebar news ticker to a Daily Mail article that referred to him as "gay actor Zachary Quinto" at least five times. Of course, that's the Daily Mail, but still... yikes.

Date: 2011-10-16 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theofenraven.livejournal.com
It's a weekly mag, from what I understand. I'm sure he did the interview in the last few days.

Date: 2011-10-16 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bbuttercup.livejournal.com
It's going to be the lead talking point for the rest of his career. It's all too prurient to me.

Date: 2011-10-16 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-deep-magic.livejournal.com
Hopefully not the REST of his career -- with any luck, it will die down soon. But, yeah, he's always going to be "gay actor Zachary Quinto" from now on, which is a damn shame.

Date: 2011-10-16 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-deep-magic.livejournal.com
Point taken.

Date: 2011-10-16 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] babykid528.livejournal.com
Believe me, I know a lot less about Occupy Wall Street than I should considering I go to a public interest law school in NYC and everyone at my school and their mother has attended the protests, except for me and a few people I'm friends with. :-P lol! But it's only been going on for a month (which I can't even believe, since the media has only JUST started covering it). *shrugs*

At any rate, it's an important interview as a whole!! XD

Date: 2011-10-16 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] summersolstice1.livejournal.com
why am I constantly missing out on everything? I mean, I'm a huge Quinto/Pine/Star Trek fan and everything, yet I keep reading stuff at your journal first. Maybe it's because I'm from Germany, where all of the above really aren't that big a topic that any newspaper would write about it? Or because I don't have the money to read gossip mags? Huh.

When you posted that other post earlier today I went and checked out ontd_pinto and now I read this post and have no idea whether he came out himself or not bc you're kinda unclear about it. But to be honest, I'm not that big of a stalker that I would break out the googlefu to check. I'm totally with bbutercup there... while I might squee about it being "true" as opposed to "merely fangirl thinking", I feel bad about how it got out and how an artist as multifarious as Zach will likely have to deal with crap about his sexual orientation instead of just do is art.

geeeez, I never meant to ramble on like that, s'cuse me. ;)

Date: 2011-10-16 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] summersolstice1.livejournal.com
*sigh* okay so now I did read up at ontd_pinto. apparently I am that low *facedesk*

Date: 2011-10-16 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-deep-magic.livejournal.com
Eh, ramble on all you like. Here's (http://nymag.com/movies/features/zachary-quinto-2011-10/) a link to the article in question, in which Zach refers to himself "as a gay man" twice. So the article is not about his coming out, per se, but it's pretty unambiguous. And it's not a gossip magazine, either -- it's coming straight from Zach, which is why everyone's partying.

And, yeah, it's a shame that he's going to be reduced to his orientation, at least for the first few months. Hopefully the buzz around that particular item will die down as his career moves forward.

Date: 2011-10-16 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] summersolstice1.livejournal.com
I wish everybody would just shut up about it again... the supporters make me cry (happy tears!), the haters make me wanna kill something ;)

Date: 2011-10-16 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-deep-magic.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm staying on ontd_pinto and steering clear of the haters entirely. Stupid haters.

Date: 2011-10-16 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] therumjournals.livejournal.com
the celebration to me is not that he "finally" came out or anything like that. i didn't think that he "should" or question his motivation to this point or anything like that. i do hope that he feels good about it and that it may even be a relief or something that he'd wanted to do before but hadn't because of pressure or something external. but the celebration for me is just because it's something that we all kind of thought would happen eventually, that for many ZQ fans, it was just kind of in the back of our minds that someday he would come out in some way, and today is that day. so to me it's more like, today is a day that we've been (on some level) waiting for...so let's celebrate.

kind of like how we all know that, someday, Pinto will walk again...

Date: 2011-10-16 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-deep-magic.livejournal.com
That's a good way of thinking about it. And LOL @ "Pinto will walk again."

"In a world... where the Star Trek sequel kept getting delayed... and the writers just couldn't get their fucking act together... In 2012... Pinto WILL walk again."

Date: 2011-10-16 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eefreeboo.livejournal.com
I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt to the guy who tweeted, thinking that maybe it was agreed between them that he would do it, to sort of give forewarning and ease the news into the public consciousness. But I don't think that's the case, it brought more immediate attention to it if anything, and it just feels like a a typical journalistic attempt to make sure we knew who got the scoop. Also, because we didn't know the context at that time, it also invited people to speculate how it might be done and, yes, criticise on potential ways when no one actually knew anything.

I still feel weird celebrating too. I'm all very much for "yay, go ZQ!" as it was an incredible thing to do. But I still feel somewhat sad he's had to compromise his previous position as a general human being rather than a ~merely gay one. I also think he'd like to try and keep things as low key as the interview itself was. Still, each to their own I guess. I can't criticise anyone.

Date: 2011-10-16 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zjofierose.livejournal.com
yeeeahh... i dunno. i feel very conflicted, for reasons people above have already stated better than i will. i wish it were a non-issue. i worry that now that's all anyone will talk about in regard to him. i feel badly for him as a person that he has to sacrifice his personal privacy.

i get hwy he did it (assuming he did it for the reasons he states), and that's admirable. i appreciate that it's a big decision for him, and he's done it classily. but... i don't know that i can celebrate someone having to state their sexual preferences in a national magazine.

i realize it's a stage we have to go through to get to the point where it's a non-starter, but that doesn't mean i have to like it. lol.

Date: 2011-10-17 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sevvy23.livejournal.com
While the part of me who lives in a perfect little world where things like sexual orentation don't matter in the least, the part of me who is still kind of scarred by my first coming out experience (to a not-so-understanting relative) is effing proud of Zach right now. I don't wanna celebrate that like a new holiday, but i'm really touched by what he said in his blog, and i feel like the more celebs actually out and proud, the more role models for the teens who suffer and are looking for hope. That being said, i kinda have an issue with the journalist tweeting before Zach officially made an annoucement. It really wasn't his place to do so.
Anyway, Zach was, as always, very classy and articulate, and i'm proud of him.

Date: 2011-10-17 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lindarella123.livejournal.com
I wish he didn't have to out himself, so to speak, but at least it wasn't a "Yes, I'm gay" People magazine cover (poor NPH). I admire the courage or just plain guts it took to utter those words, "As a gay man." I'm hoping that thanks to people, such as Alan Cumming and NPH, and his immense talent his career will not suffer. I think the low-key, almost nonchalant way he dropped it into conversation should serve him well. That it is just one facet of his life and persona, and not the only thing that defines him. I also admire his desire to live an authentic. Hopefully, the world will allow him to do just that. :D

Date: 2011-10-17 12:38 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Re the timing of the tweet, I know the magazine's probably supposed to hit the stands on Monday, but it was already on the rack this morning at my grocery store here in Jersey. So the tweet wasn't all that premature.

Date: 2011-10-17 01:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenteaduck.livejournal.com
I was one of the people partying :x I don't think I'm partying because I'm "right" or anything. I'm happy for him and glad that he did it on his own terms.

Date: 2011-10-17 03:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-deep-magic.livejournal.com
But the Tweeter didn't even write the article... I still don't get it. And, yeah, Zach was so low key about it, maybe that's why I feel like I should be, too.

Date: 2011-10-17 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-deep-magic.livejournal.com
It's good to know I'm not the only one feeling conflicted. :oP But Zach tweeted his appreciation for all the support, so at least it was well-received.

Date: 2011-10-17 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-deep-magic.livejournal.com
Yeah, I certainly can't fault the way he went about it. But like I said to someone else, he was so low-key about it, maybe that's why I feel I should be low-key. I dunno. It's a thing that happened, and hopefully it's for the good.

Date: 2011-10-17 03:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-deep-magic.livejournal.com
YES, exactly. The tweet made it sound like it was going to be that kind of article, and I'm so glad it wasn't.

Date: 2011-10-17 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-deep-magic.livejournal.com
Yeah, but the tweet was Saturday night, and I don't know what the point of that would be other than to drum up publicity in a tacky manner. Eh, it seems to have turned out okay.

Date: 2011-10-17 03:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-deep-magic.livejournal.com
I didn't mean to dump on anyone's partying; I just wasn't sure about doing it myself. And as I've said to a couple people now, he was low-key about it, so maybe I feel I should be low-key about it. But YES, absolutely, I'm glad he did it on his own terms. And his bringing the tape recorder indicates he wanted to make sure the reporter didn't twist his words, so good thinking.

Date: 2011-10-17 05:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fatty-fat.livejournal.com
haha. agreed with the feeling a bit weird. i think everyone feels pretty much the same, which is why the party post isn't going full on party our fucking heads off. yeah, you put it well.

...let's not do the party honkers. or should we? his sense of humor is amazing and weird. he might actually appreciate it with a special hipster sense of irony.

Date: 2011-10-17 06:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orphica.livejournal.com
I'm obviously speculating, but I can't imagine he wasn't out to his family for quite some time, not if he was introducing JG to fans as his boyfriend. And he and Joe seem very close.

Date: 2011-10-17 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danack.livejournal.com
I'm glad for him that he won't feel the need to be low key about his relationships if he doesn't want to be. However, it's not a surprise. I still do feel like a quiet happy dance, though.

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